Ok
So, we have some goals
...& an idea, of what we would like it to look like
...but, where do you actually start?
The driver is the heaviest, most awkwardly shaped component in a racer
So, I usually start with the ****pit
Driver Accommodations
First, think about a Seat
I like the plastic racing style seats
...they kinda "wrap around" the driver & provide some side support
Then, think about things like:
Steering
...what kinda steering wheel
...how far should it be from the driver
...& how to mount it
Pedals
...what kinda pedals
...where are you going to put them
... how far should they be from the driver
...& how are you going to mount them
Roll over protection
...roll bar(s)
...or a full roll cage
Side impact protection
...what need to be where
...in what direction (vertical, horizontal, angled)
...& how high etc.
...& also, egress
...how does the driver get in & out
...& how easy is this to accomplish?
So, far this is all in thought or on paper
Now, actually set a seat up
...set a driver in it
...& start "mocking" things up (steering, pedals etc.)
Mapping things out, around an actual driver helps give a "real world" perspective of everything that's involved
...& the room that's required
Then, do lots of measuring
...& adjusting
...& making notes
...& even pics
Then, with this info
...you can start planning
...& building the rest of car (around the driver)
Functional Artist said
Dec 17, 2023
After lots of trial & error, here are some of the specs that I have come up with.
Keep in mind that
...I'm ~5'5" tall & ~150 lbs.
...& these dimensions are based "around" a driver my size
...but, at this "planning stage" everything is adjustable
Chassis overall height: ~34"
Side impact protection height: ~18"
Dash bar/Steering support height: ~16"
C**kpit side to side: ~20"
Distance to pedals: ~34" - 36"
Leg Tunnel: ~14" x ~14"
Base frame rails: ~14" (apart)
* An easy mock up method is to use "real world" CAD (Cardboard Aided Design)
...just get a refrigerator box (or any big card board box) & re-configure it
Maybe something like have a ~14" x ~60" bottom
...leaving a ~24" area, for the seat/driver
...add a ~14" x ~14" x ~36" leg tunnel
...then, add some sides
...& go from there
* Also, keep in mind, the EA rule book (page 6.) requires a max overall width of 48" & a max overall length of 12" for all race cars
Functional Artist said
Dec 17, 2023
Specify parameters & work with in them
So, with the measurements ...& the diagram posted above, I started measuring, marking & cutting pieces
I started at the top, making the roll cage ...(2) pieces 1/2" Schedule 40 water pipe (actually 5/8"ID x 7/8"OD with ~1/8" wall) ~60" long ...marked at 3" intervals ...& then, bump bent
* When making "stuff" where (2) matching pieces are required, I usually try to make both pieces, at the same time (it's easier to make matching pieces)
You have an interesting build going here.
Keep it up.
Don't forget to factor in your ballast location and retaining method.
Functional Artist said
Dec 19, 2023
Hey Archer,
Thanks!
If I may ask, how does the "weigh in" work, at EA races?
Does the driver actually hold the ballast weights
...& then, gets weighed, to make sure that they (together) weigh at least 180lbs.? (as per the rule book)
Then, the ballast (weights) get secured, in the car
...& the car then, gets inspected, just before the race?
Functional Artist said
Dec 19, 2023
They say "If you can't take Mohamed to the mountain ...bring the mountain to Mohamed"
So, I brought the bender, to the chassis ...& did some more bending
I bent the upper rails, downwards a bit more ...& the lower rails, upwards
Chassis overall height: ~34" (check)
Side impact protection height: ~18" (check)
Dash bar/Steering support height: ~16" (check)
C**kpit side to side: ~20" (check)
Distance to pedals: ~34" - 36" (check)
Leg Tunnel: ~14" x ~14" (check)
Base frame rails: ~14" (apart) (check)
& also,
In the very last pic (in the last post) notice that the available area, for the battery box is
...~8" from the (front to back)
...the lower frame rails are ~13 1/2" apart (side to side)
...& there is at least 12" of vertical space available (up & down)
Functional Artist said
Dec 24, 2023
Hey Archer,
On the topic of ballast
...is there a preferred material (or thing) used as ballast?
...or a common (or recommended) retaining method?
Functional Artist said
Dec 24, 2023
After most everything checked out "within specified parameters", I went ahead & made up & installed, a front seat mount (which also doubles as a mid-chassis, cross member)
Started working on & installing the "truss bars"
* Notice the "truss bars" that "run" next to the seat, needed to be curved a little bit (to "clear" the seat)
I also, made up & installed a curved cross member, in the rear, that will also help support the driver's weight, while entering & exiting the car
I found a (3) wheel hydraulic disc brake system, for Hammer Head go karts (~$75.00)
It has heavier duty (more properly sized) components (thicker rotors & bigger calipers) ...& also, provides braking for all (3) wheels (for better control)
It comes with the Master Cylinder
...(3) Rotors
...& (3) Calipers (already plumbed & the system bled)
* A couple of extra bonuses are
...the rear caliper has a parking brake feature incorporated
...& the Master Cylinder has an automotive style brake light switch, already built in
FYI: this video shows, this type of brake system, being mounted on a kart
* A couple of important factors to pay close attention to are:
1.) Check out the cast front wheel hubs, that are "normally" used with this brake system
2.) Notice where the master cylinder is mounted ...& how that mount is fabbed & installed
3.) Also, take notice of the size of the front rotors, compared to the size of the tires, they will be controlling ...& the size of the rear rotor, compared to the size of the rear tires, that it has to control
The wheels that I'm going to try, on this racer, are normally used on golf carts.
They are 8" steel rims that are 3.75" wide & have 4.80 x 4.00 x 8 Diamond Pattern Turf Tread tires
They are brand new "take offs" (meaning that the golf cart buyer wanted fancy wheels/tires installed)
I found a set of (4) of them on eBay for ~$75.00 & that's ...~$18.75 per wheel ...or ~$9.38 per rim ...& ~$9.38 per tire
* These are probably not the best tires for racing ...but, we have endless options available for 8" rims (when we get to that point) ...& for ~$9.00 ea. they are perfect for initial testing
FYI: these steel wheels weigh ~8lbs. (ea.) w/tires ...as opposed to ~3lbs. (ea.) w/wheels, that the plastic bicycle wheels on Polaris weigh
So, this "upgrade" comes with a ~15lb. "weight penalty" ...but also, has a (4th) wheel ...so we have a spare tire, that's all ready to go
For comparison, here is (1) of the (~16") golf cart wheels next to (1) of Polaris's (~20") wheels
* Notice the golf cart wheel is only a few inches shorter, than the bicycle wheel
...but, has almost double the width
Plus = better traction
Minus = higher rolling resistance
-- Edited by Functional Artist on Tuesday 2nd of January 2024 03:11:07 PM
"* Notice the golf cart wheel is only a few inches shorter, than the bicycle wheel
...but, has almost double the width
Plus = better traction
Minus = higher rolling resistance
I do not think this is correct. Oddly, wider tires seem to have less rolling resistance. It has been discussed before in the tires section and there is some good test data comparing wider and skinner bicycle tires on the Internet. Here is what I posted:
The wider tire having lower rolling resistance is counter intuitive but it makes sense to me. Most rolling resistance comes from the tire deforming to create the contact patch-going from a round tire to a flat spot on the road. The more the rubber has to move, the greater the energy loss. This is why a larger diameter tire should have less rolling resistance than a smaller diameter tire. The greater arc of the larger diameter tire is closer to the flat line of the road and changes less.
The wider vs. thinner tire is due to the shape of the contact patch and geometry. The skinny tire contact patch is long and thin while the wider tire contact patch is short and fat. If everything else is equal, than the rubber in the center of the arc of the skinny tire has to move further than the rubber in the middle of the wider tire.
The key, of course, is 'if everything else is equal'. Different tire construction such as thicker rubber or inability to run higher pressures are going to weigh in too. We get our lowest rolling resistance just before the tire wears through. This makes sense since the rubber is very thin and it takes less energy to deform it. Not ideal for finishing the race though.
Functional Artist said
Jan 5, 2024
Hey ProEV,
That is some very interesting info.
Maybe (in the spring) I'll do some comparison testing between the skinny wheels on Polaris & these wider wheels.
Thanks for sharing
Functional Artist said
Jan 8, 2024
I'm going to need a couple of dual flange hubs, to mount the wheels & brake rotors, on to the spindles
It's basically, just a piece of 1 1/2" OD steel tube
...that rides on a couple of #99502 bearings
...& has a couple of bolting flanges welded on (like this)
But, for this application we need custom bolting flanges, on each side
...an (8) bolt flange on (1) side to mount the rotor
...& a (4) bolt flange on the other side, for the (4) lug wheels
For fitment & measurement purposes, I made up a mock hub, out of wood & steel
Installed a couple of bearings, for mounting on a spindle
Then, drilled holes
...mounted a rotor
...& also, bolts for mounting the wheel
*The thickness of the wooden flanges isn't important
...the measurement from outer flange face to outer flange face, is the measurement that we need
-- Edited by Functional Artist on Monday 8th of January 2024 03:20:06 PM
1.) The fact that the way the front Halo support, was attached to the center of the dash bar, that there was a potential for the dash bar to buckle.
Which could cause the steering wheel & column to collapse ...potentially injuring &/or pinning the driver in the ****pit, "if" the vehicle ever rolled over or flipped. Not good
2.) A center windshield support could/would be irritating to try-n-look around &/or thru for an hour
Plan B: Let's try some A-Pillars
Another angle/view
Notice how this concept would transfer the "load" or force (in a roll over) down to the upper side frame rails
...& also/then, down to the lower frame rails (lower supports to be added)
&
How the dash bar & steering are now totally separate from the "load path"
4 ROLL BAR 1. The roll bar must protect the driver's head/helmet in the event of a roll-over. It must be tall and wide enough to do this considering the full range of possible movement. 2. The roll bar structure must be triangulated with at least three legs or panel equivalent. Triangulated bracing can be either forward or rearward. With three legs bracing must extend from the top of the roll bar and securely attach to the vehicle structure, with four legs, each of the braces must extend to within 4" of the top. Any roll bar that is constructed from more than one continuous piece must be reinforced and braced triangularly from all junctions/joints in addition to the top. 3. The roll bar structure must appear to be sturdy enough to withstand the vehicle being dropped, upside down, from an altitude of one foot, with the driver inside without failure. 4. The drivers helmet must be below a straight line drawn from the top of the roll bar to the top of the highest structural point when the driver is securely belted in driving position. P A G E 6. E L E C T R A T H O N A M E R I C A
Before
After extending the rear
...& adding a "leg" or brace
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Another view
I also, added a 4" x 8" gusset
...across the 5-way junction for additional strength
...& to "lock' everything together
It looks to me like it will meet:
3. The roll bar structure must appear to be sturdy enough to withstand the vehicle being dropped, upside down, from an altitude of one foot, with the driver inside without failure.
Motor Speed/Gear Ratio=Axle Speed x Tire Circumference = Inches per Minute traveled/Foot (12) = Feet per Minute traveled x Hour (60) = Feet per Hour traveled x MPH Multiplier (.000189) = Miles Per Hour
5,000(RPM's) / 4.8(GR) = 1,041.67 (axle speed) 1,041.67 x 51 = 53,125.17 (inches per min traveled) 53,125.17 / 12 = 4,427.10 (feet per min traveled) 4,427.10 x 60 = 265,626 (feet per hour traveled) 265,626 x .000189 = 50.20 MPH
Keep in mind that the Ballpark Equation doesn't factor in things like: rolling resistance, Aerodynamics, overall weight etc. ...it just gives us an idea of what "may be" possible with a specific set up (motor RPM's, gear ratio, wheel size etc.)
I used a straight edge to align the motor & wheel sprockets
...marked where the motor needs to go
...then, installed (4) 5/16" x 1" slots in the motor mount
I used (4) 5/16" x 1" Carriage bolts to mount the motor
* Notice how the "square" under the heads "fit in" the slots
...so, the motor can be tightened down with just (1) wrench
I used the straight edge again to double check sprocket /chain alignment
...Another view (straight "down the line")
* Notice (after alignment) I used a couple of pairs of Vise-grips, to "lock the motor mounting plate "in place" for welding
I working on & planning to build another racer for 2024
I learned a lot from building & testing Polaris
...but, I would like to try-n-upgrade many things like:
Roll over protection
...so, the driver is more enveloped
Wheels
...properly designed for the "loads" that will be inflicted upon them
...a wider "foot print", for better traction
...stronger, no plastic
...bolt-on, for quick change ability
Brakes
...stronger, Hydraulic system & properly sized rotors
Axles
...upgrade to 5/8" spindles, in the front
...& a 5/8" grade 8 bolt in the rear
Steering
...properly size the pitman arms, to the wheel diameter
Maybe something about like this:
So, we have some goals
...& an idea, of what we would like it to look like
...but, where do you actually start?
The driver is the heaviest, most awkwardly shaped component in a racer
So, I usually start with the ****pit
Driver Accommodations
First, think about a Seat
I like the plastic racing style seats
...they kinda "wrap around" the driver & provide some side support
Then, think about things like:
Steering
...what kinda steering wheel
...how far should it be from the driver
...& how to mount it
Pedals
...what kinda pedals
...where are you going to put them
... how far should they be from the driver
...& how are you going to mount them
Roll over protection
...roll bar(s)
...or a full roll cage
Side impact protection
...what need to be where
...in what direction (vertical, horizontal, angled)
...& how high etc.
...& also, egress
...how does the driver get in & out
...& how easy is this to accomplish?
So, far this is all in thought or on paper
Now, actually set a seat up
...set a driver in it
...& start "mocking" things up (steering, pedals etc.)
Mapping things out, around an actual driver helps give a "real world" perspective of everything that's involved
...& the room that's required
Then, do lots of measuring
...& adjusting
...& making notes
...& even pics
Then, with this info
...you can start planning
...& building the rest of car (around the driver)
Keep in mind that
...I'm ~5'5" tall & ~150 lbs.
...& these dimensions are based "around" a driver my size
...but, at this "planning stage" everything is adjustable
Chassis overall height: ~34"
Side impact protection height: ~18"
Dash bar/Steering support height: ~16"
C**kpit side to side: ~20"
Distance to pedals: ~34" - 36"
Leg Tunnel: ~14" x ~14"
Base frame rails: ~14" (apart)
* An easy mock up method is to use "real world" CAD (Cardboard Aided Design)
...just get a refrigerator box (or any big card board box) & re-configure it
Maybe something like have a ~14" x ~60" bottom
...leaving a ~24" area, for the seat/driver
...add a ~14" x ~14" x ~36" leg tunnel
...then, add some sides
...& go from there
* Also, keep in mind, the EA rule book (page 6.) requires a max overall width of 48" & a max overall length of 12" for all race cars
Specify parameters & work with in them
So, with the measurements
...& the diagram posted above, I started measuring, marking & cutting pieces
I started at the top, making the roll cage
...(2) pieces 1/2" Schedule 40 water pipe (actually 5/8"ID x 7/8"OD with ~1/8" wall) ~60" long
...marked at 3" intervals
...& then, bump bent
* When making "stuff" where (2) matching pieces are required, I usually try to make both pieces, at the same time (it's easier to make matching pieces)
Here is a top view drawing of the top & mid layers, of the chassis
...& a side view drawing, of the bottom rails
The top layer is the (2) curved top bars of the roll cage
...the mid layer is mainly the upper side impact bars
...& the lower layer is the base rails
* Notice, the highlighted 20" x 20" c**kpit area
...& 16" x 16" leg tunnel area
So, some measuring, marking & bump bending on a couple pieces of pipe (~78")
...& we have a couple of mid level "side impact protection" bars
...then, cut (3) ~14" crossmember bars
Then, after some squaring & aligning...everything, I tac welded
...the curved top bars
...to the cross bars
...& also, to the mid level bars
** Notice, I used the "work bench top" (old door)
...to screw down alignment boards
...& to "pin" the pieces "in place"
I also, used a ratchet strap to add "upper pressure" for holding the roll cage together, for welding
Another view
I propped the rear of the "canopy" up at ~20"
...& the front at ~14"
Then, worked on dry fitting the base rails
Then, added some "props" to mimic some of the "braces"
...to see if/how all of the measurements & everything was working out here "in the real world"
I also, started thinking about how the front should look
...& bounced several options around
But, we gotta keep the weight "in mind"
...because when adding pieces, it can "add up" pretty quickly
* Notice, I started curving the base rails upwards a bit (in the front)
...& the "hood" bars downwards a bit
Thanks!
If I may ask, how does the "weigh in" work, at EA races?
Does the driver actually hold the ballast weights
...& then, gets weighed, to make sure that they (together) weigh at least 180lbs.? (as per the rule book)
Then, the ballast (weights) get secured, in the car
...& the car then, gets inspected, just before the race?
They say "If you can't take Mohamed to the mountain
...bring the mountain to Mohamed"
So, I brought the bender, to the chassis
...& did some more bending
I bent the upper rails, downwards a bit more
...& the lower rails, upwards
So then, I could just use (1) crossmember
Now, it's time to double & even, triple check...everything
...by "eye" (eyecrometer)
...& using instruments (tools)
Mainly checking for overall squareness
...& that everything is "about" where it should be (structurally)
A view from the rear
Then, start double checking that components "fit" about where they should
...like the seat
...& the battery box area
* (reminder of our spec goals)
Chassis overall height: ~34" (check)
Side impact protection height: ~18" (check)
Dash bar/Steering support height: ~16" (check)
C**kpit side to side: ~20" (check)
Distance to pedals: ~34" - 36" (check)
Leg Tunnel: ~14" x ~14" (check)
Base frame rails: ~14" (apart) (check)
& also,
In the very last pic (in the last post) notice that the available area, for the battery box is
...~8" from the (front to back)
...the lower frame rails are ~13 1/2" apart (side to side)
...& there is at least 12" of vertical space available (up & down)
On the topic of ballast
...is there a preferred material (or thing) used as ballast?
...or a common (or recommended) retaining method?
After most everything checked out "within specified parameters", I went ahead & made up & installed, a front seat mount (which also doubles as a mid-chassis, cross member)
Started working on & installing the "truss bars"
* Notice the "truss bars" that "run" next to the seat, needed to be curved a little bit (to "clear" the seat)
I also, made up & installed a curved cross member, in the rear, that will also help support the driver's weight, while entering & exiting the car
To help double check component locations & fitment, I added a few more "props"
This pic mainly shows the pedal(s) location
...which is (~36") from the bottom/rear of the seat
This pic shows a CAD "mock up" battery box, in relationship to the pedal(s) location
...to double check that there is adequate clearance, to actuate the pedals
I also, mocked up a potential spindle location with a "prop" steering shaft & tie rod
...to double check "swing" clearance, for these components too
Here is a pic with a wheel "propped" in place
...just to double check
This pic shows an old circular saw blade, used as a "prop" steering wheel (to help mock up it's location)
...to double check the distance, from the seat back to the "steering wheel" (~24")
This pic shows the steering shaft height, in relationship to the seat (~12")
This pic shows the mounting bracket height (from the floorboard up) which checked out at (~15")
I found a (3) wheel hydraulic disc brake system, for Hammer Head go karts (~$75.00)
It has heavier duty (more properly sized) components (thicker rotors & bigger calipers)
...& also, provides braking for all (3) wheels (for better control)
It comes with the Master Cylinder
...(3) Rotors
...& (3) Calipers (already plumbed & the system bled)
* A couple of extra bonuses are
...the rear caliper has a parking brake feature incorporated
...& the Master Cylinder has an automotive style brake light switch, already built in
FYI: this video shows, this type of brake system, being mounted on a kart
* A couple of important factors to pay close attention to are:
1.) Check out the cast front wheel hubs, that are "normally" used with this brake system
2.) Notice where the master cylinder is mounted
...& how that mount is fabbed & installed
3.) Also, take notice of the size of the front rotors, compared to the size of the tires, they will be controlling
...& the size of the rear rotor, compared to the size of the rear tires, that it has to control
Well, I'm not going to use those China-cheap hubs, for a couple of reasons
1.) Those hubs are for use with metric bolt pattern (6") rims (tallest tires available ~15")
...& I would like to use (8") rims (with taller ~16"+ tires)
2.) This brake system is for a race car
...& will be controlling larger/taller tires
So, I'm thinking about using (3) of the larger 8" rotors (like used on the rear) in the front & rear (which should increase the stopping power)
...but, the smaller 5" rotors, have a 6-bolt pattern
...& the larger 8" rotors, have an 8 bolt pattern
Further explanation:
For comparison, here is an 8" rim/~16" wheel
...with an 8" rotor (sitting on it)
...& then, a 5" rotor (sitting on top)
This comparison makes it easy to see that
...the ~16" wheel would have a bit more than a ~3:1 leverage advantage, over the 5" rotor
...whereas the ~16" wheel would only have ~2:1 advantage over the 8" rotor
So, using 8" rotors (being more proportionately sized to control a ~16" wheel)
...plus, a Hydraulic system
...& (3) wheel braking
...& should provide this racer with better/superior stopping power
The wheels that I'm going to try, on this racer, are normally used on golf carts.
They are 8" steel rims that are 3.75" wide & have 4.80 x 4.00 x 8 Diamond Pattern Turf Tread tires
They are brand new "take offs" (meaning that the golf cart buyer wanted fancy wheels/tires installed)
I found a set of (4) of them on eBay for ~$75.00 & that's
...~$18.75 per wheel
...or ~$9.38 per rim
...& ~$9.38 per tire
* These are probably not the best tires for racing
...but, we have endless options available for 8" rims (when we get to that point)
...& for ~$9.00 ea. they are perfect for initial testing
FYI: these steel wheels weigh ~8lbs. (ea.) w/tires
...as opposed to ~3lbs. (ea.) w/wheels, that the plastic bicycle wheels on Polaris weigh
So, this "upgrade" comes with a ~15lb. "weight penalty"
...but also, has a (4th) wheel
...so we have a spare tire, that's all ready to go
For comparison, here is (1) of the (~16") golf cart wheels next to (1) of Polaris's (~20") wheels
* Notice the golf cart wheel is only a few inches shorter, than the bicycle wheel
...but, has almost double the width
Plus = better traction
Minus = higher rolling resistance
-- Edited by Functional Artist on Tuesday 2nd of January 2024 03:11:07 PM
You wrote
"* Notice the golf cart wheel is only a few inches shorter, than the bicycle wheel
...but, has almost double the width
Plus = better traction
Minus = higher rolling resistance
I do not think this is correct. Oddly, wider tires seem to have less rolling resistance. It has been discussed before in the tires section and there is some good test data comparing wider and skinner bicycle tires on the Internet. Here is what I posted:
The wider tire having lower rolling resistance is counter intuitive but it makes sense to me. Most rolling resistance comes from the tire deforming to create the contact patch-going from a round tire to a flat spot on the road. The more the rubber has to move, the greater the energy loss. This is why a larger diameter tire should have less rolling resistance than a smaller diameter tire. The greater arc of the larger diameter tire is closer to the flat line of the road and changes less.
The wider vs. thinner tire is due to the shape of the contact patch and geometry. The skinny tire contact patch is long and thin while the wider tire contact patch is short and fat. If everything else is equal, than the rubber in the center of the arc of the skinny tire has to move further than the rubber in the middle of the wider tire.
The key, of course, is 'if everything else is equal'. Different tire construction such as thicker rubber or inability to run higher pressures are going to weigh in too. We get our lowest rolling resistance just before the tire wears through. This makes sense since the rubber is very thin and it takes less energy to deform it. Not ideal for finishing the race though.
That is some very interesting info.
Maybe (in the spring) I'll do some comparison testing between the skinny wheels on Polaris & these wider wheels.
Thanks for sharing
I'm going to need a couple of dual flange hubs, to mount the wheels & brake rotors, on to the spindles
It's basically, just a piece of 1 1/2" OD steel tube
...that rides on a couple of #99502 bearings
...& has a couple of bolting flanges welded on (like this)
But, for this application we need custom bolting flanges, on each side
...an (8) bolt flange on (1) side to mount the rotor
...& a (4) bolt flange on the other side, for the (4) lug wheels
For fitment & measurement purposes, I made up a mock hub, out of wood & steel
Installed a couple of bearings, for mounting on a spindle
Then, drilled holes
...mounted a rotor
...& also, bolts for mounting the wheel
*The thickness of the wooden flanges isn't important
...the measurement from outer flange face to outer flange face, is the measurement that we need
-- Edited by Functional Artist on Monday 8th of January 2024 03:20:06 PM
Here is a look, at the back side of the "mock" hub, mounted on the spindle
Now, we can use the "mock" hub, on a spindle w/Rotor, to start working on a Caliper bracket
Back to the CAD (Cardboard Aided Design)
Added a Caliper, to the CAD bracket, to check fitment & clearance
Then, double checked fitment & clearance, from multiple angles
...& with a wheel
It looks like a bent "tab" (kinda like this) could used to bolt the Caliper bracket, to the arm on the spindle
This would securely attach the caliper bracket to the spindle
...& also, "act" as a "stop"
...so, the bracket can't "travel" around the spindle (especially when braking)
Next up, Caliper bracket CAD (template) to steel (~10g)
Making (2) at once, helps to make them match
To cut out the (2) 1/2 circles, I first installed a notch, right in the middle
I put the (2) caliper brackets, end to end
...aligned the (2) "notches"
...clamped them down to a 1/4" steel, backer plate
...& then, used the (2) "notches" as a "guide" to drill a 1/8" pilot hole (in between the (2) caliper brackets & thru the backer plate too)
Then, drilled the 1/8" pilot hole, out to 1/4" (for use as a hole saw guide)
Then, used a 1 3/4" hole saw to, cut the (2) 1/2 hole(s)
Used a 5/8" drill bit to install the spindle hole
Now we have a couple of "rough" Caliper bracket(s)
...that "fit" on a 5/8" Spindle
Hey Babbydeers,
I have the lower section of roll bar supports installed
...but, winter has put progress on hold, for a bit
This is my work bench
...& our current temp is ~15*
...but yes, when I get back at it, the roll bar support bars will come just about to the top (see drawing)
Here is a rear view, of a whole front wheel unit
Caliper mounted on the bracket
...bracket mounted on the spindle
...with the hub, rotor & wheel
Side view, double checking clearance
It looks like each unit requires ~8" (from the outer edge of the wheel to spindle bracket)
Custom dual flange front wheel hub drawing
The huge frontal area was driving folks nuts!
...just the windshield area was ~15"w x ~32"t
Thinkin' about it a bit more
...just a helmet & a couple of roll bars should dramatically reduce the aerial drag
So, she's goin' topless
Something like this should be rule compliant
...but, I don't totally "love" it
DIY A-frames
DIY bushings
DIY CO shock & spindle mounting brackets
DIY front suspension
Still not totally loving the roll bars
Re-calculating...re-calculating...
So, let's try something different
Maybe something like this
Another view
This version passed this helmet clearance test pretty well
...but, it didn't seem to pass this clearance test
Here is a video with some info on an F1 Halo
How The Halo Works | F1 TV Tech Talk | Crypto.com - YouTube
Version 2
Raised the windshield "line" ~1"
...& added a taller rear roll "hoop"
A couple of buddies brought to my attention
1.) The fact that the way the front Halo support, was attached to the center of the dash bar, that there was a potential for the dash bar to buckle.
Which could cause the steering wheel & column to collapse
...potentially injuring &/or pinning the driver in the ****pit, "if" the vehicle ever rolled over or flipped. Not good
2.) A center windshield support could/would be irritating to try-n-look around &/or thru for an hour
Plan B: Let's try some A-Pillars
Another angle/view
Notice how this concept would transfer the "load" or force (in a roll over) down to the upper side frame rails
...& also/then, down to the lower frame rails (lower supports to be added)
&
How the dash bar & steering are now totally separate from the "load path"
The kool blue seat is from BMI karts (~$80.00)
Polyethene (not fiberglass) racing seats are a durable seat made of almost indestructible plastic perfect for racing go karts.
Racing Polyethene (Plastic) Sprint Seat | 660220 | BMI Karts And Parts
I made the rear seat mounting bars out of some 1/2" steel tube
I used a hydraulic press & a DIY forming die
After pressing, the end of the tube looks like this
After pressing (side view)
Made another, added some 1/4" holes & then, did some rounding & shaping
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Here is a drawing of the rear swing arm that I have in mind
The axle/spindle will be "open ended", to facilitate easy tire changes, without having to "mess with" the sprocket/chain & brake system
The axle/spindle will simply be a 5/8" x 7" bolt
...mounted thru/with a dual wall design
...& the inner wall will double as the rear caliper bracket
Kinda like this (upper illustration shows the front spindle & the lower show the rear dual wall concept
Swing arm parts
After welding
The other side
Here is the other half of the rear swing arm
A "spacer" helps to space them apart & keep them parallel
...then, made sure everything was good-n-square (before welding)
Also, added a bushing holder
...made up a DIY bushing (a piece of 1/2" ID. reinforced rubber hose with a 1/2" OD. steel insert, for use with a 3/8" bolt)
...& a mounting bracket
-- Edited by Functional Artist on Tuesday 26th of March 2024 02:16:01 PM
To facilitate rear wheel "track" adjustment (if necessary)
I made the swing arm mounting bracket adjustable
This way shims/washers can be inserted in between the (2) brackets
...in the appropriate place
...which will affect/adjust the angle of the rear wheel
Lets get back to the roll bar or hoop
...& according to the rule book
4 ROLL BAR
1. The roll bar must protect the driver's head/helmet in the event of a roll-over. It must be tall and wide enough to do this considering the full range of possible movement.
2. The roll bar structure must be triangulated with at least three legs or panel equivalent. Triangulated bracing can be either forward or rearward. With three legs bracing must extend from the top of the roll bar and securely attach to the vehicle structure, with four legs, each of the braces must extend to within 4" of the top. Any roll bar that is constructed from more than one continuous piece must be reinforced and braced triangularly from all junctions/joints in addition to the top.
3. The roll bar structure must appear to be sturdy enough to withstand the vehicle being dropped, upside down, from an altitude of one foot, with the driver inside without failure.
4. The drivers helmet must be below a straight line drawn from the top of the roll bar to the top of the highest
structural point when the driver is securely belted in driving position.
P A G E 6. E L E C T R A T H O N A M E R I C A
Before
After extending the rear
...& adding a "leg" or brace
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Another view
I also, added a 4" x 8" gusset
...across the 5-way junction for additional strength
...& to "lock' everything together
It looks to me like it will meet:
3. The roll bar structure must appear to be sturdy enough to withstand the vehicle being dropped, upside down, from an altitude of one foot, with the driver inside without failure.
What do you'all think?
Hey Archer,
Thanks!
I installed a coil-over shock, in between the chassis & swing arm
Another view
A buddy of mine, used my drawing to make some custom wheel hubs (for use with Chinesium brakes/rotors & standard golf cart wheels)
My "mock up" rear hub is on the left
Looks pretty professional
The rotors weren't "true"
...so, he "trued" them up a bit
...& included a "proximity pin" to ensure "if" taken apart it can only be re-installed (1) way
Here is the hub mounted on the swing arm
Caliper mounted
Clearance seems to be OK
On this racer, I'm going to try a Boma BM-1024GD
It's 60VDC
...2,000W (brushless) motor (max RPM rating of ~5,600)
* The motor has a 10 tooth (drive) sprocket
...& the wheel has a 48 tooth (driven) sprocket
...which gives a 4.8:1 gear ratio
&
The 16" wheels that we are using, have a circumference of ~51"
So, let's say the motor has a "loaded" speed of ~5,000 RPM's
...& we are running a Gear Ratio of 4.8:1
...& the tires are ~51" in circumference
Let's "do the math"
Ballpark Equation
MS/GR=ASxTC=IM/FT=FMxHR=FHxMM= MPH
Motor Speed/Gear Ratio=Axle Speed x Tire Circumference = Inches per Minute traveled/Foot (12) = Feet per Minute traveled x Hour (60) = Feet per Hour traveled x MPH Multiplier (.000189) = Miles Per Hour
5,000(RPM's) / 4.8(GR) = 1,041.67 (axle speed)
1,041.67 x 51 = 53,125.17 (inches per min traveled)
53,125.17 / 12 = 4,427.10 (feet per min traveled)
4,427.10 x 60 = 265,626 (feet per hour traveled)
265,626 x .000189 = 50.20 MPH
Keep in mind that the Ballpark Equation doesn't factor in things like: rolling resistance, Aerodynamics, overall weight etc.
...it just gives us an idea of what "may be" possible with a specific set up (motor RPM's, gear ratio, wheel size etc.)
I used a straight edge to align the motor & wheel sprockets
...marked where the motor needs to go
...then, installed (4) 5/16" x 1" slots in the motor mount
I used (4) 5/16" x 1" Carriage bolts to mount the motor
* Notice how the "square" under the heads "fit in" the slots
...so, the motor can be tightened down with just (1) wrench
I used the straight edge again to double check sprocket /chain alignment
...Another view (straight "down the line")
* Notice (after alignment) I used a couple of pairs of Vise-grips, to "lock the motor mounting plate "in place" for welding
A view with the chain installed
Master cylinder & bracket
Brake master cylinder linkage
Master cylinder mounted to the bracket
...bracket mounted to the chassis
...& the linkage connected too
Another view
I've seen F1 race cars that have switches & stuff on the steering wheels
...so, I was thinking maybe something like this
Let's start off making the steering wheel itself
...using a 1/8" x 6 1/2" x 13" piece of Aluminum (from old sign)
Drilled some big 'ol holes
Added a couple of bends
Cut out the middle section(s) for hand grips
Did some trimming
...& even a bit of polishing (left side)
* Notice the "fancy" steering wheel mount?
To make the on steering wheel "instrument holder" for the gauges & switches, I harvested some ridged plastic from the back of an old TV
Cut out a piece & started marking for the cut-outs
Kinda like this
After adding some "hand grips"
...& polishing it up a bit
* The upper section houses the power meter & the control switches (On/Off, Forward/Reverse & 3-Speed selector)
...& the bottom area is for the speed-o-meter (cell phone w/speed-o-meter app)
Here is the steering wheel, installed
Another view
* Notice, to ease entry & exit, I included a "flip up" feature